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post #1 of 44 Old 09-18-2013, 10:01 AM Thread Starter
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KTM Duke 690 vs Yamaha FZ-09

Lookie here, the KTM Duke 690. Impressive, 321 lbs dry, 352 with a full tank. White Power suspension, Brembo brakes with ABS standard, ride-by-wire, semi-trellis type steel frame, 64 HP at the rear wheel and 45 ft/lbs of torque, and 57 mpg. The bike is amazingly light and the reviews have found zero issue with it.

KTM 690 Duke First Ride Review- Photos

Some guys on other forums call it the ultimate hooligan bike.... They're saying it's the most FUN they've had on two wheels, ever. Anecdotally it is a wheelie monster, hard accelerator and dime turner.

The KTM is going for $8,999 USD but with standard ABS, ride-by-wire, top-shelf suspension/brakes. very interested to see a shootout between FZ-09 and this KTM.

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ENGINE TYPE SOHC Single
DISPLACEMENT 690cc
SEAT HEIGHT 32.7 in.
FUEL CAPACITY 3.7 gal.
DRY WEIGHT 337 lb.






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Writing that it is the ultimate hooligan bike, they obviously haven't ridden the FZ yet. The duke is more expensive, waaaaay less HP, 20 less ft. lbs. of torque and a lot fewer dealers nationwide than the Yamaha. I'm not seeing an advantage here.
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The KTM is a great hooligan bike. My stepson had one a few years back. An absolute hoot to ride.

It did not like cruising at 70+ and sort of ran out of top end at about 85. Was so light and tall that riding on the freeway around semitrucks was not fun.

For around town, I would love to have one. I am building a knock-off of my own using a CR500 engine.
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Maybe if it was a twin like the 990 & 1290cc Super Dukes.
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The KTM is going for $8,999 USD but with standard ABS, ride-by-wire, top-shelf suspension/brakes.
How do you define "top shelf" suspension/brakes?

Smaller engine not in the same class as the FZ-09.

Comparable to Honda 500.
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Lookie here, the KTM Duke 690. Impressive, 321 lbs dry, 352 with a full tank. White Power suspension, Brembo brakes with ABS standard, ride-by-wire, semi-trellis type steel frame, 64 HP at the rear wheel and 45 ft/lbs of torque, and 57 mpg. The bike is amazingly light and the reviews have found zero issue with it.

KTM 690 Duke First Ride Review- Photos

Some guys on other forums call it the ultimate hooligan bike.... They're saying it's the most FUN they've had on two wheels, ever. Anecdotally it is a wheelie monster, hard accelerator and dime turner.

The KTM is going for $8,999 USD but with standard ABS, ride-by-wire, top-shelf suspension/brakes. very interested to see a shootout between FZ-09 and this KTM.

SPECIFICATIONS

ENGINE TYPE SOHC Single
DISPLACEMENT 690cc
SEAT HEIGHT 32.7 in.
FUEL CAPACITY 3.7 gal.
DRY WEIGHT 337 lb.






I was going to buy one, and was on 5 dealers lists for one. Then 2 days later, the MT/FZ was announced. I love this bike especially the "R", it was going to be a replacement for my SuperMoto.

I did tons of research, as I always do. Some reviews say the vibration is excessive, even though it's far better than the previous model. Also the fueling (stock), is fluffy down low. Then there is the oil consumption problem. For some it never goes away, for others it does after 3k or so miles. It doesn't seem to matter if it's broken in the "Motoman" way, or by the book. The oil usage on some is severe (quarts per thousand miles), same with the SuperDuke. Bike magazine reported the same thing with their KTM 1190 Adventure R. "The 1190 has drunk a litre and a half of oil in 3,000 miles. There have also been traces of yellow gunge inside the filler cap, which could just be condensation. Or the first signs of a knackered head gasket". Otherwise they could hardly find any fault with the bike, they loved it.

In fact they gave the 1190 R 4th place in their bike of the year ratings. The KTM 390 Duke got 2nd place, and the Triumph Street Trip (non R) got 5th place. I bet the new FZ will be right up there in the ratings next year. My guess is for sure it will be winner in the "most bang for the buck" category.

I have never had a bike that needed oil added between 3,000 mile changes. Don't want to start now. Plus KTM seem to think it's necessary to have multiple filters. That's ridiculous, you could put 100,000 miles on any Japanese sportbike engine with no problems, and probably not have any oil usage either. I guess that's the problem with "Boutique" bike brands. I just want to ride and change 1 spin on oil filter, and oil, every 3k mi. Not have to carry oil with me.

All that being said. I still would love to have a Duke 690, but I'll let someone else take the depreciation, maybe pick a used one up in a year or two. If they start building the 690 in India alongside the 390, the price would likely come down a couple grand for a new bike.
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Almost forgot..... one guy reported that after doing burnouts on his 690, that the abs would stop working. Not sure how he got the abs back, but burnouts gave it fits.
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How do you define "top shelf" suspension/brakes?

Smaller engine not in the same class as the FZ-09.

Comparable to Honda 500.
Top shelf suspension = Ohlins, Penske and other top name branded racing developed components.
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Looks like a great bike to me. I would happily ride either that or the Fz-09. Definitely would take them both out for a spin before I decide which one to spend my hard earned dollars on. It seems to get good reviews from all the ones that I have read. Would anyone here consider buying the KTM Duke 690 instead of the Yamaha FZ-09? Or are y'all just Yamaha fan boys?
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interesting the KTM has a higher seat height than the FZ-09. 32.7 on the KTM, 32.1 on the Yamaha. I can see where motomania was saying it wasn't much fun around the semis. dont you think the FZ-09 is going to suffer the same fate with its similar seat height?
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